Grace redefined

Romans 5:1 “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.”

We have gained access by faith into Jesus’ grace.

Grace can be defined in many ways.  One conservative pastor, David Reagan, says that it is God’s sufficiency or God’s fullness in the life of the believer.  He likes to describe it as “God’s enoughness.”  Well, just who is this man?  He may be some radical preacher that the elite turns their noses up at.  But what he says on his website is what is being taught by many Baptist and non-Baptist pastors.  Women should stay at home and not work outside the home (they can be slaves in their homes, I suppose and that doesn’t count as work), and women can’t have authority over men.  Same old theme we hear over and over by Piper and his disciples, who certainly qualifies as being elite.

Now, I liked that description that Reagan gave about grace.  Generally we hear Grace defined as God’s unmerited favor. David Reagan defined God’s enoughness as God being enough for us no matter what situation we face.

What I don’t like is the rest of what David Reagan says.

I just read a little bit of his blog, enough to find out who he is. He doesn’t like women!  Oh, I’m sure he loves women – for their purpose and role. But you can see what he thinks about women with the Question and Answer page. 

  • Can women wear pants
  • Can women vote
  • Can women say Amen in church
  • Can women be authors of books that men might read?

God’s enoughness!  God’s enoughness for who?  Do men and women require a different kind of God’s enoughness? Is it for women?  If that is the case, there is a lot to be desired. 

Apparently God’s sufficiency or God’s fullness in the life of the believer doesn’t have to be very much for women, judged by Pastor Reagan. 

Let’s reread Romans 5:1 his way:  “Therefore, since we men have been justified through faith, we men have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we men have gained access by faith into this grace in which we men now stand.”

Can you imagine a man ever having a Question and Answer page with questions like those above?  How insulting!  We are not some alien creature.  We gave birth to you!

If you are tired of men like this pastor calling the shots, then join me as we redefine Grace so pastors like this one will know what Grace is.

Join us at the CBE Houston conference on April 27-28, 2012. 

(Again, I ask you to bear with me.  My brain is getting a workout with preparing for this conference. It is joy and pleasure beyond measure to be entrusted with this, but it is hard work. Please pray for us) 
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Shirley Taylor writes with humor and common sense, challenging the church body to reclaim equality for Christian women.
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9 Responses to Grace redefined

  1. Mabel says:

    I went into the David Reagon Q & A page, and I was deeply offended, offended to the core. How can these men face Jesus one day? I tremble for their souls. Not only are they wrong, they are LEADING OTHERS ASTRAY!!!!!!!!!

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  2. KC Worley says:

    I have recently subscribed to bWE & would like to see blog posts explaining, from scripture, who God has called us to be as women created equally in His image. (Perhaps there are older posts that express this which I haven’t read). You obviously have a passion to see women elevated & released to their God-given and God-created place in the body of Christ and local church body. That being said, many of your posts focus on haranguing the “opposition” and anecdotes of the negative effects of the hierarchical view of male/female roles on women. If your approach is viewed by some as a “rant” it will have the unintended effect of marginalizing, not strengthening, this important issue. I’ve been told that bank tellers are taught to recognize counterfeit bills not by studying the fake, but by becoming so familiar with the true and genuine that the counterfeit stands out. In the same way, please present the scriptural truth and “proof” of equality for women, and then women will recognize and can in a Christ-like way expose the error they encounter.

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    • Kc, you obviously came to my website and subscribed because you saw something different here than you will find on any other website. I “rant” if you please to call it that, because sweetness and honey catches flies, but not equality. I don’t know if rant will or not, but I am willing to give it a try.

      I will email you a list of books promoting women’s equality from scripture. You can also find a list of books promoting women’s equality from scripture on the http://www.cbeinternational.org website along with many free articles. You can also read the Bible. That is the best place to go. From the begining “God created man and woman in His image” to the end, the Bible is about God’s relationship with His people. That means His relationship with women. You can then read the Gospels, and if you find anything in the Gospels that tell women they ‘can’t’ or that they must submit to their husbands, then you and I are reading a different Bible.

      You can also read my little booklet “Dethroning Male Headship – because it doesn’t have a leg to stand on.”

      The best place to find scriptural texts on my blog is in the comments. You will find some good preaching there.

      That is plenty of hard, scriptural reading for you. Please take time to continue to read my blog.

      KC, you are not really looking for “proof” of equality. If you are, the above ways will keep you busy until the cows come home.

      Shirley

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  3. Mabel says:

    KC Worley, thanks for the advice. Appreciate your comment.
    What you perceive as “rants” are likely the result of being bombarded by the effects of patriarchy, which is rampant in the church today. When a child is being beaten by the parents, that child is more likely to wail than to explain.
    Personally, I do not think it is necessary to explain what women can and cannot do in the Body of Christ. Whatever a Christian should do, a woman should do, and a man should do. Even from the passages about husbands and wives. I believe husbands should love wife, so should wife love husbands. Husbands should sacrifice for wife, so should wife sacrifice for husband. What applies to men, apply to women. The fact that we need to explain is already a sign of trouble.
    Not too long ago, the church talks about what blacks can and cannot do versus what whites can and cannot do. Now that racism is not a controversial topic (not that it does not exist), unfortunately, sexism is stubbornly being placed in a prominent position.

    For people who are sincerely confused by the one or two usual proof texts, may I suggest the following web sites for answers, just for starters:
    http://www.cbeinternational.org/?q=content/free-articles
    http://newlife.id.au/margs-articles/

    There are also many books. My personal favorites are:
    Women, Slaves & Homosexuals by William Webb
    Equal to Serve by Gretchen G. Hull
    Good News for Women
    Beyond Sex Roles
    Some I have not read or only read part of
    Man & Woman, One in Christ ( not available in Kindle, unfortunately)
    Do God prefer Men
    Abusing Scripture by Manfred Brauch (reading, heard the author, love him)
    How I changed my Mind about Women in Leadership,
    I suffer Not a Woman
    Why not Women

    If you want to understand why women need to vent their frustration, read the newly released book by Pam Hogeweide , Unladylike. I am about 70% thru’ the book. Love it.

    Please excuse our frustration. After I started my journey in this gender equality, for the very first time, I identify with the African Americans’ frustration with racism.

    I do believe there is a place for voicing our feelings, if we do not sin while doing it. Read the Psalms. The Psalmist sounds more like venting his passion than giving a lesson in theology.

    I feel lonely in my quest for the truth and find few people who even wants to learn the truth in my own church. If it is not for this community of men and women of the same mindset on the internet, I will be very lonely indeed. I do not need them to give me sermons, I need them to shed tears with me, to fight injustice with me, and to bring light where the church is dark with me. I met many fellow egalitarians first on the internet, then in person. Shirley is one. Together, we are working to bring a conference to Houston. If you are nearby, please join us.

    Mabel

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    • Michelle says:

      Mabel,
      Yes! This is perfect, “Personally, I do not think it is necessary to explain what women can and cannot do in the Body of Christ. Whatever a Christian should do, a woman should do, and a man should do. Even from the passages about husbands and wives. I believe husbands should love wife, so should wife love husbands. Husbands should sacrifice for wife, so should wife sacrifice for husband. What applies to men, apply to women. The fact that we need to explain is already a sign of trouble.”

      I particularly love, “Whatever a Christian should do, a woman should do, and a man should do.” *Exactly*. We aren’t issued separate Bibles, and we don’t have separate saviors.

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  4. krwordgazer says:

    KC, there are a lot of websites that focus on the Scriptural basis for full women’s equality. One of them is my own: see the link to “Kristen Wordgazer” at the side of this blog.

    But BWE’s blog has stated from the beginning that its approach is different. Sure, Shirley addresses Scripture from time to time, but she has also said that the debate about the Scriptures is ongoing and unending, and each side has a position on the Scriptures– so she approaches this topic from the basis of fairness, common sense, and “do unto others.” Men would never want done unto them what sites like David Reagan’s does unto women. Shirley is a fresh voice that makes valid points from the most foundational approach to Scripture: What was Christ’s most basic message, and does all this forbidding of women to do this or that, follow Him?

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  5. A. Amos Love says:

    Hey all…

    Speaking about Grudem… He is sharing his wisdom today, Sat., via Justin Taylor at TGC.

    “Complementarian Decision-Making as a Couple”
    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/

    “…. Even though there will often be much discussion and there should be mutual respect and consideration of each other, ultimately the responsibility to make the decision rests with the husband. And so, in our marriage the responsibility to make the decision rests with me.

    This is not because I am a wiser or more gifted leader. It is because I am the husband. God has given me that responsibility. It is very good. It brings peace and joy to our marriage, and both Margaret and I are thankful for it.”

    …”The biblical ideal is loving, humble headship and joyful, intelligent submission.”

    Wow! Now promoting -.”Joyful, Intelligent Submission.” Sounds irresistible…

    Thought some folks might like to reply. And advance the conversation. 😉

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  6. Mabel says:

    I would like to ask Grudem: is his “wisdom” a personal preference? what he and his wife decided on doing in their marriage? or is this a DOCTRINE?
    If it is a DOCTRINE, let me ask him:
    What happens when the husband has mental issues? Is he telling us that God never allows husbands to have mental issues? depression? bipolar? addiction? He makes the final decision?
    What happens when the husband is an abuser? physical ? emotional? who decides what constitutes abuse? John Piper believes wives are not given the right to defend themselves, they are to “go to the church” for help. So who decides the husband is an abuser? the husband?
    “There should be mutual respect”, how much respect is there when one side ALWAYS gets to make the final decision?
    “The responsibility is always with the husband”, even though they are “not wiser” or “more gifted”. So, God gives the wife more wisdom, and more gifting, only to tell her to obey someone God chose NOT TO give more wisdom and more gifting? God is a sexist? I am not trying to be mean, I am trying to analyze what this is.
    “It brings peace and joy to our marriage”, so it should bring peace and joy to every marriage? and if it does not? can you imagine the burden and the guilt on the wife ( most likely)? Why am I not having joy and peace when my husband always has the last say?

    My take on Grudem’s interpretation of God’s will: he is very sincere about what he is saying, but sincerity does not necessarily lead to truth. In fact, very often, sincerity can lead to delusion.

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