This is the second part of the email discussion that I had with a minister who came across the demand for an apology from the CBMW (Council on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood). July 24 was the one year anniversary of the demand.
I had just asked R. H. if he was a Saul or a Paul. If you will notice in this conversation, I do not give very much of R.H.’s response. He was very wordy, and much I had to plow through to find out what he was actually saying. As you can imagine, he seldom agreed with me. The conversation was very interesting and I looked forward to his challenging responses. It caused me to think. You may not agree with me, either, but we have gotten ourselves into such a rut in speaking about women’s equality. We need to examine it from different angles.
R.H. Please tell me whether the following video that I posted to my web site nearly three years ago answers your question (he gives his website here and he has Julie Pennington Russell, a well-known Baptist pastor being interviewed)
Shirley: Not impressed, Brother R.H. You also have a video of a pastor in love with authority titled “Authority” 1 Timothy 2:12.
R. H. If I present both sides, I’m “persecuting” you?
Shirley: Saul/Paul began preaching with the disciples. He said to his former colleagues “Guys, don’t let me get in your way. You keep on killing the disciples and I will keep on preaching with these new friends I have made. After all, you really believe what you are doing is right, and we just have to let people make up their own minds.”
(You and I know that this paraphrase is totally inaccurate, but it illustrates the point I wanted to make to him. That point is: We can’t be on both sides. We have to choose. Paul chose to be a witness for his new-found belief.)
This takes a decidedly different turn here. Look at what he picks up on.
R.H. Why is the complementarian position comparable with murder?
Shirley: Murder is destruction of the earthly body and does not kill the soul.
Complementarianism is destruction of the earthly personhood of a woman, and some even give the husband accountability over the soul in heaven.
(Dorothy Patterson: “I just have to do what he says and he will account before God.” )
Beth Moore says that if a man hears her speak – preach- then she is doing it under the authority of her husband and her pastor. This gives a male human being powers that belong to God because it allows a mere man to supersede the Scriptures. Your friend in the video mentioned earlier quotes Scripture when he says women cannot have authority over a man – he needed to add BUT, HER HUSBAND CAN GIVE HER AUTHORITY.
So in this case, we have a man acting as God to his wife. That will destroy her personhood as surely as murder.
WHY? BECAUSE THE HUSBAND IS A FALSE GOD. GOD DOES NOT DEPUTIZE.
What is to stop man from assuming more god-like control of his wife? That is the nature of man. Only God can have authority over his human creatures, both men and women, on earth and in heaven.
Then he says: “I don’t know that I’ve ever come across anyone who has expressed the egalitarian view in the same terms that you have been using in our correspondence, and your input is providing me with helpful insights.” He does not agree with me. We both understand that because his responses challenge me further. (But this is my story and I’ll leave out his responses!)
Won’t you join me in engaging people in the discussion about Christian women’s equality in the church and in the home?