Al Mohler lives in make-believe land

Dr. Al Mohler wrote a blog called “Women and Children First” in which he claimed that women should desire to go back to the days of the Titanic when the women and children were told to get in the lifeboats first.  He seems to think that today’s men would be willing to do that, but women are holding them back from being the men they want to be.

Dr. Mohler knows that these same men write letters to women who are seeking equality, using the most hateful, unloving, lying characterizations of women that can come out of a Christian’s mouth. 

If men like Dr. Mohler don’t have the guts to stand up and tell these men who verbally abuse Christian women to cut it out, then what makes him think that these men will honor women and put women and children in the lifeboat first?  He is living in make-believe land.

It’s not that we can’t take it.  We’ve heard worse. It harms the gospel of Christ when these Christian men rant and rave in this most ungodly manner toward women.  They don’t talk to men like this.  Suppose a man wrote a letter speaking up for women’s equality. Suppose he gets a letter from a man hating women’s equality. The hater would attack the women the first man was speaking up for, and would not attack the man who was speaking up for women.

Following are two letters I received last Wednesday, July 14.  The first is in response to this series.  The second letter is the first of a series of comments you can read at the end of Recipe for Danvers Stew.  Their letters are in bold

1. But Mohler isn’t doing that here. And Scripture is clear that while there is an established authoritative structure for the home, husbands are to submit to their wives as Christ loved his church and gave (submitted himself completely and sacrificially) himself up for her. This is biblical picture is very different than your portrayal of what Mohler actually teaches and believes.

If Dr. Al Mohler believes that husbands are to “submit to their wives as Christ loved his church”, he has kept it a secret.

About the next letter.   I wonder if Dr. Al Mohler would think this man would say “Women and Children first” and put them in the lifeboats and give his own life for them.  This is an example of male headship letters that women get by men who are angry that we are standing up to them.

2. I just wonder how many of you women are divorced and lonely because you can’t stand not wearing the pants in the family, or wondering why there shouldn’t be women pastors (always have to have the lead role). You just can’t wait for men to post on here so you can blast them and have 20 other divorced, lonely women sitting here having an all night man bashing party. And you call that loving? You’re no different from the rest of the women in the world. Women like you think your the godliest thing to grace this earth apart from Jesus, yet can’t comprehend that this is the way God made things to be. Who says we have to understand every excruciating detail?   

Where did this man come up with these ideas?  He has no idea of what kind of woman I am.  Actually, my husband and I have been married 49 years, and where he gets the idea that I think that I am the godliest thing to grace this earth apart from Jesus, is downright insulting.  Who taught him to call a woman a ‘thing.’    Do you see any grace and love toward another human being in this letter?

We (men) can’t have babies but you don’t see us going around demanding equality and that God discriminates against men because we can’t have the same role as women.

You sit here and stereotype every male unless they are sheepish and agree with you on every point. The only thing the man stated out of place was “Someone has to serve (Mk. 10:45). That was stupid and I apologize for men on behalf of him, but by the same token, he was very much right about a lot of things we have to accept. I just think you can’t stand your husbands wearing the pants in the family and it eats you up.

That’s what God meant by the woman’s desire is for the man, but he shall rule over her. The only other place this “desire” concept is mentioned in Gen. 4:7 where sin’s desire is to master us, but we must master it. In the same way, women (such as egalitarians) desire to master their husbands, but we are to make sure that that doesn’t happen. Do you want to see what happens to someone who gives women the rule? Take a look at 1 Kings 11 and see the end of Solomon’s life, and why he would even go to the extreme of sacrificing his offspring to Molech? Because he gave in to his wives and didn’t have a backbone to stand for the Lord.

Power, authority, lovers of themselves (as Paul would say).

Are Dr. Al Mohler, the Council on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood, the Southern Baptist Convention, non-denominationals, evangelicals, proud of their influence and of the male headship men who send letters like these to Christian women? 

If they are not proud of these kinds of letters, let them stand up and say so.  Let them show some true Male Headship.

If you are tired of being pushed out of the lifeboat, please join us at Seneca Falls 2 Evangelical Christian Women’s Right Convention in Orlando, Florida, on July 24, 2010.

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Shirley Taylor writes with humor and common sense, challenging the church body to reclaim equality for Christian women.
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15 Responses to Al Mohler lives in make-believe land

  1. Kristen says:

    That second letter-writer is inaccurate about there only being one other place where “desire” occurs in the Bible. The same Hebrew word appears in the Song of Solomon as the (positive) love the Bridegroom has for the Bride. Clearly that Hebrew word has just a little bit more complex meaning than he wants to give it. He wants it to mean that women are to men as sin was to Cain! Better check again, mister. Jesus never said anything like that about women. Neither did Paul.

    It’s really funny that he prides himself on not wanting to be the one who gets pregnant and has the babies. It’s very noble of him to not envy us the pain of childbirth, the drudgery of diapers, or the restrictions of being confined to motherhood and motherhood alone, while he can do anything else in the world he likes!

    Don’t get me wrong– I love my children and wouldn’t exchange motherhood for anything. But no one’s telling HIM he was designed to be a husband and father and that only, and he’d better stay home and serve his wife and take care of his kids and give up any other wish he might ever have to do anything else for God.

    He can preach to me about not desiring his place, when he’s willing to take the place he wants to consign me to. But I’m not letting him anywhere near the speck in my eye till he takes a good look at the log in his own.

    As for the Titanic– hah. Most of the women and children on that boat were locked below decks and not allowed anywhere near the lifeboats– because they happened to be of the lower classes. So noble of the men of the Titanic. I don’t think we really want to go back to that age or way of thinking, thanks anyway.

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  2. Paula says:

    As you can see at my post yesterday (http://www.fether.net/2010/07/18/drive-by-theology/), the teachings of CBMW et al are understood by most men to be worse than the teachers will ever admit. They practice what these people teach. One even said that a husband is responsible for seeing to it that his wife enters heaven! This is idolatry, but it does no good to tell such men this fact.

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  3. Mara says:

    Shirley, you really ought to put the ‘recent comments’ widget in your side bar. Then I might have known about the 59 comments under your ‘Danvers Stew’ post.

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  4. Lydia says:

    The celebrity comps will tell you that letter #2 is not representative of what they teach or their followers. But they are wrong. It is quite typical.And our churches and seminaries are full of such teaching.

    Even when one tries to have an irenic doctrinal discussion on an interpretation of one of the verses, they are likely to be treated to a similar diatribe as letter #2.

    What the celebrities do not realize is that depraved, immature men take their teachings (and trust me, they have heard this stuff from stages) and beat up anyone who disagrees on an interpretation using the same diatribe said from a stage to hundreds to an individual. You are automatically labeled as a liberal and feminist.

    It is so childish, anti intellectual, anti reason and UnChristian, that there is nothing else to do but walk away. With such a person one cannot talk. Too bad there are so many of them.

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  5. Mara says:

    Whoo Hoo!
    Someone showed you how.
    I was working on it when a bad storm went through our area and knocked out our power.
    Glad to see the comments. Now I won’t feel like I’m missing anything.

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  6. Mara says:

    Back on topic.
    Well. Sort of.

    Talk about a make-believe land.
    Most men do have one, inside and outside the church. They’ve made a world after their own hearts.
    Here are some snippets from a book called “The Centerfold Syndrome” that shows how the objectification of women in the world has hurt men (Thanks to my friend Charis who put these snippets on her blog).

    I feel this objectification has seeped into the church in another form. Since Porn and Centerfolds are ‘unacceptable’, this objectification comes in the form of roles and putting the woman in the position of one-way servitude to men. Making her a two dimensional object, less than men, with “God-sanctioned” stamped on the teaching to give it authority. But that authority is false, its source coming, not from the Bible, but from men’s fantasy of the perfect world.

    Here is the link:

    http://hupotasso.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/clips-from-the-centerfold-syndrome-and-introducing-pastor-ed-who-is-preaching-the-truth/

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  7. Lydia says:

    One more thing…never forget that Mohler is first and foremost, a culture warrior.

    Also, never forget that he is rarely challenged in a public setting. His article a few years back about selfish couples not having children (or only having one) is a case in point. He never once stated IF these couples were Christians or not. He never made the case for “be fruitful and multiply’ in the New Covenant which is really ‘go and make disciples’.

    BTW: Mohler only has 2 children. So his inching toward a quiverfull doctrine is hypocritical. he can certainly afford to adopt many more now.

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  8. territippins says:

    “And Scripture is clear that while there is an established authoritative structure for the home.”

    Q. Where can i find this scripture?

    “I just wonder how many of you women are divorced and lonely because you can’t stand not wearing the pants in the family, or wondering why there shouldn’t be women pastors (always have to have the lead role). You just can’t wait for men to post on here so you can blast them and have 20 other divorced, lonely women sitting here having an all night man bashing party. And you call that loving? You’re no different from the rest of the women in the world. Women like you think your the godliest thing to grace this earth apart from Jesus, yet can’t comprehend that this is the way God made things to be. Who says we have to understand every excruciating detail?”

    Firstly, this is a rant. See men get emotional to! He also implies that all the women on this site are divorced because they want to ‘wear the pants in the family’. Wow! did God give you that or are you just letting your testosterone do the talking for you? And yes, we women have nothing better to do than to wait on the unsuspecting man to post so we can clobber him. Geesh, the name of the blog is Baptist Women for Equality that should give one a clue about what we discuss. Yeah, Yeah, we think we are Godly but we are not. We think we are smart but we are really stupid……and all because you say so! One thing I do know is that I will be judged by God and not a mere man, and that the creation story does not even hint at a superior/inferior relationship between the man and the woman……go read Gen 1:26-28.

    “We (men) can’t have babies but you don’t see us going around demanding equality and that God discriminates against men because we can’t have the same role as women.”

    Tell me what having babies have to do with womens equality with men? And what man wants all the scud work that women have to do on a daily basis? I have never heard one husband tell a wife in labor, “Honey, I wish it was me and not you”, or “I would glady take your place if i could.” And my husband has never followed me around going, “please let me wash the dishes and mop the floor pleaseeeeeeee!” Comp men really don’t desire any position or job that women have simply because they perceive that there is no recognition or glory associated with these task. Because if there were, “Katie bar the door”, you would not be able to keep a husband away from the dirty dishes or the dirty floor!

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    • Lydia says:

      “We (men) can’t have babies but you don’t see us going around demanding equality and that God discriminates against men because we can’t have the same role as women.”

      Then I suppose the only logical conclusion is that women cannot be Christlike because they are not male like Jesus. Only males can be Christlike because they are males.

      That is were we end up with a pink and blue Christianity

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  9. Kristen says:

    Steve said: “You just can’t wait for men to post on here so you can blast them and have 20 other divorced, lonely women sitting here having an all night man bashing party. And you call that loving?”

    And is it loving to make snap judgments about us? I’ve been happily married for 22 years. I’ve never been divorced.

    Steve said: “. . . yet [you] can’t comprehend that this is the way God made things to be. Who says we have to understand every excruciating detail?”

    What this is saying is, “I get to be the boss because I’m the man, and I don’t have to have a good reason why.” But God as I know Him doesn’t give out the authority “pants” in this arbitrary, capricious and unjust manner. This isn’t the New Covenant pattern– “I get to be the boss because I was born with the privilege.” You won’t find that as a paradigm for leadership in any description of the Kingdom of God.

    Territippins said: “Comp men really don’t desire any position or job that women have simply because they perceive that there is no recognition or glory associated with these task. Because if there were, “Katie bar the door”, you would not be able to keep a husband away from the dirty dishes or the dirty floor!”

    Not only that, but they’d come up with some reason why women weren’t to be allowed to do them anymore. (smirk)

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  10. fawzia says:

    The only one that is doin the ‘bashing’ is this writer!! The whole story is all about ‘women bashing’ from where Im sittin!!!! Get a life MR..DR or whatever your opinions are!! When women ask for ‘equality’ they only are asking for what is already written in the bible..maybe your reading the wrong thing…read it again please!! Women dont want to be ‘men’..on the contrary, if the men treated them like women and did their job right..then the woman wouldn’t be vying to be the ‘man’…sounds like your communication is very sectarian!! Plz dont misinterpret any holy book.

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  11. Jane says:

    ‘Do you want to see what happens to someone who gives women the rule? Take a look at 1 Kings 11 and see the end of Solomon’s life, and why he would even go to the extreme of sacrificing his offspring to Molech? Because he gave in to his wives and didn’t have a backbone to stand for the Lord.’

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