Better to go to jail than to hear a woman singing

This is a sequel to the last post.

I didn’t take his bait.  He wanted me to look at 1 Timothy 2:12: I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

July 2009, this article appeared in the Jerusalem Post newspaper.  I don’ t know who wrote it.  This is what being silent meant to Middle Eastern women and still does with Orthodox Jews.

A former chief rabbi has called on religious IDF soldiers to choose imprisonment over hearing a woman singing during military events and ceremonies, an Israeli paper revealed on Tuesday.

The dominant national-religious rabbi said that he was asked by soldiers what they should to do when their commanders order them to stay at an event in which a woman was singing. Orthodox Jewish law prohibits men from hearing a woman sing on modesty grounds.

“I told them – what should you do? The Talmud tells you… It is better you go to jail, disregard your commander and don’t hear the voice of a woman singing,” the rabbi said in a recorded sermon broadcast Monday night.

IDF’s Chief of Staff’s Office recently issued a prohibition on observant soldiers walking out of military assemblies to avoid hearing women singing.  The Chief education officer said that incidents of religious soldiers walking out of ceremonies to avoid the religious transgression were a “worrisome phenomenon,” as they were liable to weaken group cohesion.

Do complementarians want us to go all the way back to this? 

How far back would Paige Patterson or  Al Mohler, or Wayne Grudem, or John Piper be willing to go?

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Shirley Taylor writes with humor and common sense, challenging the church body to reclaim equality for Christian women.
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7 Responses to Better to go to jail than to hear a woman singing

  1. Shirley, I am convinced that the Rabbi’s position is actually their ideal, but they know to admit it would be suicide to the complementarian movement. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood is committed to the absolute overthrow of women (any way it can be accomplished) in the home, church, and even in secular society if they could swing it.

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  2. Paula Fether says:

    And this is further proof that Paul was in fact quoting the Jewish legalists’ Talmud in 1 Cor. 14:34-35, then forcefully refuting it. When he says “What? Did the word of God originate with you?” he is speaking as an insider, having been a Pharisee. I saw a video in the past year where a modern-day Pharisee explained how some branches believe(d) that not even God could over-rule them once He gave them charge of the Law. This is what Paul is exposing and refuting, and this is what this news clip is confirming.

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  3. Deb Hurn says:

    I thought orthodox religious Jews did not even serve in the IDF, and had to do ‘National Service’ instead.

    I also wonder how the religious soldiers get along in the IDF when they are trained by women. I have seen whole units of male recruits being trained by a female officer. Women are also highly visible in communications where they are empowered to make decisions and give orders.

    How I long for a worldwide attitude adjustment! There is a Jewish saying…”How wise is the man who learns from every human being!” Learning is the aim…growth, wisdom. Not power and advantage.

    Honestly, with all I see of men like these, I am impressed with how fragile and insecure men feel about their masculinity in a competitive world. They hope that by disqualifying half the competition (all women) from any desired field, they will then be at least ‘above average’. This is all based on fear, as are all other forms of abuse. Fear of being inadequate, fear of losing power.

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  4. >>I am impressed with how fragile and insecure men feel about their masculinity in a competitive world. They hope that by disqualifying half the competition (all women) from any desired field, they will then be at least ‘above average’. This is all based on fear, as are all other forms of abuse. Fear of being inadequate, fear of losing power.<<

    Thank you Deb!

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  5. Waneta Dawn says:

    “I am impressed with how fragile and insecure men feel about their masculinity in a competitive world. They hope that by disqualifying half the competition (all women) from any desired field, they will then be at least ‘above average’. This is all based on fear, as are all other forms of abuse. Fear of being inadequate, fear of losing power.”

    And from personal experience, I would add that sometimes abuse is the man’s ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of and anger about his inadequacy. Only, he often reverses the truth and rewrites history, saying he is the adequate one and his wife is the incompetent one. And then he chews her out, hiding the fact that he is angry with her for his own inadequacy.

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