What is the problem with The Danvers Statement on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood?

Is it Biblical?  I am sure the framers thought so, and probably still do.

So did the pope who began the Inquisition.  They had Bible verses, too, for a murderous witchhunt that lasted for over 400 years.

Most of those who were murdered by the church were women – they were called witches. It was Biblical to kill witches.

Are they killing us?  Of course not.  But they are trying to kill our spirit for equality.  That is the reason they dragged this 1988 document out to slap in our faces and to be preached from the pulpit.  Only 4 weeks after it was adopted by Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, a pastor in this town was preaching on it.  Gleefully, and with such comments as “don’t get mad at me. Take it up with Peter.”  (in another post I will deal with what Peter actually said.)

You may scoff at this and say that the Inquisition and slavery were all in the past, and we wouldn’t do that now.  Yes, it is in the past, but for 400 years it was the present for those who were being persecuted.

I am not equating this anti-woman sentiment found in the SBC with the Inquisiton.  I am simply making a point that God allows us to do things under the guise of Christianity that is later proven to be destructive and even evil.

The denial of women’ equality to serve as deacons and pastors is a perfect example of that.

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Shirley Taylor writes with humor and common sense, challenging the church body to reclaim equality for Christian women.
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6 Responses to What is the problem with The Danvers Statement on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood?

  1. Ben says:

    I would read your blog more if you can use more biblical studies to support your point, as the four men you are aiming at use Scripture to support their positions. Instead of just attaching them and their positions to various societal ills, use Scripture, be a little less combative, and then maybe there can be genuine dialogue.

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    • Welcome! I am so glad you joined in the conversation. Don’t kid yourself, Pastor Ben, if I were a little less combative, you wouldn’t be reading. You can find blogs all over the place that quote scripture every other sentence. There are Biblical studies galore to support women in ministry and all phases of Christian work, and all that has not changed the minds of those who wish to place restrictions on women in church and in the home. We all know the scriptures. We’re Christians. But we have also become Pharisees in our devotion to the law with our nitpicking and choosing certain scriptures over the whole theme of God’s love for men and women.

      Please continue reading. Your comments are welcome and you are free to use all the scripture and dialogue you want to.

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    • tiro3 says:

      Ben,

      please come to http://www.equalitycentral.com/forum

      There you can discuss all the various Scriptures in great detail with some excellent bible scholars and teachers. There are also Biblical studies as well.

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    • tiro3 says:

      as well, of course dialogue here and ask all the questions you want.

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  2. krwordgazer says:

    Ben, we have been trying to have genuine dialogue for years and years. Our experience is that those who say men are supposed to have exclusive authority, want to fault women for simply wanting men to share– as if just by saying “give us a place at the table,” we were wrongly seeking power, while all the time they are clinging tight to power with both hands. They tell us Christian service shouldn’t be about power, but we are not the ones who have made it so.

    When we explain how we read the context and the original Greek and how that affects the meaning of the female-restrictive passages, they say we are “twisting Scripture” to make it say what we want to say, while they are merely reading the plain text. When we point out texts that are indeed plain that clearly support our position, they say it’s necessary to look at the context and the original Greek to see why it doesn’t mean what the plain text appears to say.

    So then when we forego all that and just use common sense and direct honesty, like Shirley is doing, the response is that she’s being combative and not using Scripture.

    There are, in fact, all kinds of reasons to not listen to what we have to say. Once we start talking in terms of Scripture with you, I am pretty certain the other reasons will quickly arise. Sorry if I seem skeptical about this “genuine dialogue” thing, but it simply has not been my experience.

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    • In 2009, a friend loaned me some books on equality. I had my website and was sending out newsletters. I read those books and most were written in 1976-1996. I knew that those people who had written those books thought that by explaining the scriptures, men and women would come to see what they saw so plainly – that God created his human beings with equal status. It didn’t happen after they wrote their books, and in 2010 there was still a need to explain what I, too saw so clearly. I knew there had to be a different way. Besides that, I am certainly not qualified to teach from the scripture. God called me to this ministry and he gave me another way of telling the story. That is what I am doing. Thank you all for your support, and for listening to the modern day story of why women must fight for equality.

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