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We voice a demand with the petition “Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood: For the sake of all Christians of all genders, we demand that CBMW apologize publicly for their misuse of Holy Scripture, and for the inestimable harm suffered by women and families.” We and need your help to get it off the ground.

Will you take 30 seconds to sign it right now? You can sign it anonymously and your name will not appear on the list. Here’s the link: http://chn.ge/Ox6CnW

We voice a demand because all previous petitions have been ignored. We cry out for justice for all those who have suffered, directly and indirectly.

At a time in our church history that the main focus should be on winning lost souls and spreading the gospel to a hurting world, we fear for the future because the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has placed a greater priority on women’s submissive role rather than on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Additionally the Council on Biblical Manhood and Woman is endorsing the heresy that male headship will continue on into Heaven, and that males will eternally rule over their wives, and that wives and children will eternally be submissive to the husband and father in the family.

Click on the link to read what the CBMW endorses on their website and in their Spring 2006 Journal for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.  Relationships and Roles in the New Creation. (Article by Mark David Walton, Senior Pastor, Glenwood Baptist Church, Oak Ridge, Tennessee).

It is with that thought in mind that we make this petition.

Note: The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s office is located on the campus of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. Supporters include Southern Baptist Convention leaders like Southern Seminary President Albert Mohler and Russell Moore, head of the SBC Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

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Can you hear me now? Equal-but?

Can you hear me now? Can you hear us now?

Have you signed the petition yet?

We’ve gotten the attention of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (president Paige Patterson who helped write the Danvers Stuff). Their women (Dorothy Patterson’s admin assistant) suddenly decided they need to defend their equal-buts by saying equal, yet distinct. Well, that is a bunch of crap. Equal means equal. Of course everybody is distinct, but whether or not we lift the toilet lid should not be the determining factor of how we can serve in church.

If you haven’t signed the petition, please do so. Meanwhile read this article just posted in the Associated Baptist Press called Seminary website lists aspects of biblical womanhood.”

For those of you who do not know, I began agitating Baptists in Jan 2009 and in Oct 2009 Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary adopted the Danvers Statement as their statement of faith (after not feeling the need for 21 years, they suddenly needed to do it?).

Will you join me in speaking up? Your voice is critically important. Read Cindy Kunsman’s blog “Under Much Grace” in response to the article in the Associated Baptist Press and then sign.  Also click on her post about who has signed the petition. Pass it on.

If in doubt, read my two books Dethroning Male Headship and Women Equal-No Buts: Powered by the same Source. Both available on Amazon and Kindle.

Can they hear us now?

 

 

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A call for CBMW to repent and change

Why demand an apology from the CBMW? Someone asked me, “I guess I’m curious what we’d all do if CBMW did publicly apologize for what they’ve taught and encouraged, etc. Honestly, from what I’ve seen, there hasn’t been much grace for anyone who has attempted expressing remorse for such things, and a lot of questioning of the motives behind apologies such as Doug Philips’ and Mark Driscoll’s. I’m not saying I know exactly what kind of response is appropriate in the case of such apologies, but I’m a little confused about why the majority of us would reject them when given, and then demand them other places like we believe they’d fix much. Am I overlooking something or missing the point?”

Doug Philips and Mark Driscoll’s apologies don’t affect me and they don’t affect you. They were apologizing for their own personal bad immoral behavior, or bad decisions. Neither Philips nor Driscoll are teaching others to do the bad things they did.

Click here to sign the petition

I was at a Baptist Women in Ministry Conference in Houston, surrounded by a group of women who were called to preach, and to lead, when I was so touched by these women who are denied their calling by their church. It was at time that I realized that the leaders of this teaching against women owe all these women an apology. They need to be held accountable for their teaching that has caused much damage to the body of Christ, and particularly to these women, and all women.

Have you read the demand for an apology? It is not simply an apology demand. It states our concerns, and then it asks for repentance and a change in behavior.  It asks them to stop this teaching. The demand is not just a “say I am sorry” document. It calls for repentance and for change.

The bible calls for repentance and change. Your pastor calls for repentance and change. If you are a pastor, you call for repentance and change. First we must  say “I’m sorry” but then we repent and we change.

So that is what we are asking. What would we do with an apology without a declaration of repentance and change? We would be as skeptical as you say we would be.  But repentance and change?  Sister, we would be shouting it from the rooftops. First, they would take down their misogynistic website and remove the misogynistic Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood book.

Read what happened when Josiah found the Book of Law. 2Kings 22:

Shaphan continued, “The priest Hilkiah has given me a scroll.” Shaphan read some of it to the king.  The king heard the words of the Scroll of the Law. When he did, he tore his royal robes. He gave orders to the priest Hilkiah, Ahikam, Acbor, the secretary Shaphan and Asaiah. Ahikam was the son of Shaphan. Acbor was the son of Micaiah. And Asaiah was the king’s attendant.

Josiah commanded them, “Go. Ask the Lord for advice. Ask him about what is written in this scroll that has been found. Do it for me. Also do it for the people and the whole nation of Judah. The Lord’s anger is burning against us. That’s because our people before us didn’t obey the words of this scroll. They didn’t do everything that is written there about us.”

The priest Hilkiah went to speak to the prophet Huldah. So did Ahikam, Acbor, Shaphan and Asaiah. Huldah was the wife of Shallum. Shallum was the son of Tikvah. Tikvah was the son of Harhas. Shallum took care of the sacred robes. Huldah lived in the New Quarter of Jerusalem.  Shesaid to them, “The Lord is the God of Israel. He says, ‘Tell the man who sent you to me,  “The Lord says, ‘I am going to bring horrible trouble on this place and its people. Everything that is written in the scroll the king of Judah has read will take place.

“‘“‘That is because the people have deserted me. They have burned incense to other gods. They have made me very angry because of the statues of gods their hands have made. So my anger will burn against this place. The fire of my anger will not be put out.’”’

 “The king of Judah sent you to ask the Lord for advice. Tell him, ‘The Lord is the God of Israel. He has a message for you about the things you heard. He says, “Your heart was tender. You made yourself low in my sight. You heard what I spoke against this place and its people. I said they would be under a curse. I told them they would be destroyed. You tore your royal robes and sobbed. And I have heard you,” announces the Lord.

“‘“You will join the members of your family who have already died. Your body will be buried in peace. Your eyes will not see all of the trouble I am going to bring on this place.”’”

Huldah’s answer was taken back to the king.

King Josiah began destroying the idols, broke down the shrines, and pulled down the altars. That is what we are asking for:  A dismantling of the unchristian unholy Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.

Click here to sign the petition for the Demand for an Apology from the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.

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Petition to Demand for an Apology from CBMW

“Why are you asking the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood for an apology?  They are not going to change their mind and repent of what they believe.” The indication in a question like this is that we are wrong to engage the CBMW by demanding accountability through the apology. To sign the petition, click here.

Note: the Associated Baptist Press has a story on our petition. Read it here.

Note:  Dr Mimi Haddad, president of Christians for Biblical Equality signed the petition and added these words:

  • From taking my chair as president of Christians for Biblical Equality, I have heard from females who have been beaten, raped, humiliated, marginalized and demeaned by leaders who believe Scripture subordinates females. Ideas have Consequences! Theological ideas—speaking on behalf of God—as a pastor, educator or one privileged by theological training, is a position of enormous responsibility, according to Scripture. “Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly,” James 3:1. I do not presume to judge the motives of CBMW, but I do call on them to acknowledge their errors, roundly challenged by the academic and theological community, globally. Thank you Shirley! May your holy protest and godly boldness bring challenge, reconciliation and repair to the body of Christ. Mimi Haddad, Ph.D.

Returning to my story: The woman who made that comment believes in peace at all costs. She believes that we should love the Council and allow them to do they want to do, and we should go our own way in working for women’s equality in the church and home.

It reminds of the story of David. He had been given so much by God.  God had given David talents, protection, good looks, and a great body. Poetry flowed from his lips. He could have anything he desired. But those desires caused him to do a great evil against other people.

2 Samuel 12:1-10. And he sent Nathan the prophet to tell this story to David:

A rich man and a poor man lived in the same town.  The rich man owned a lot of sheep and cattle, but the poor man had only one little lamb that he had bought and raised. The lamb became a pet for him and his children. He even let it eat from his plate and drink from his cup and sleep on his lap. The lamb was like one of his own children.

One day someone came to visit the rich man, but the rich man didn’t want to kill any of his own sheep or cattle and serve it to the visitor. So he stole the poor man’s little lamb and served it instead.

David was furious with the rich man and said to Nathan, “I swear by the living Lord that the man who did this deserves to die!  And because he didn’t have any pity on the poor man, he will have to pay four times what the lamb was worth.”

Then Nathan told David:

You are that rich man! Now listen to what the Lord God of Israel says to you: “I chose you to be the king of Israel. I kept you safe from Saul and even gave you his house and his wives. I let you rule Israel and Judah, and if that had not been enough, I would have given you much more.  Why did you disobey me and do such a horrible thing? You murdered Uriah the Hittite by having the Ammonites kill him, so you could take his wife.

“Because you wouldn’t obey me and took Uriah’s wife for yourself, your family will never live in peace.  Someone from your own family will cause you a lot of trouble, and I will take your wives and give them to another man before your very eyes. He will go to bed with them while everyone looks on.  What you did was in secret, but I will do this in the open for everyone in Israel to see.”

The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has taken a very valuable asset from the family of God. They have served women up on a platter, and many have partaken in the feast. They have each in turn added their own garnishments, and from their mouths, they declare that it is God’s design.

The sheer numbers of those committed to this complementarian theology are staggering. The SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) claims over 16,000,000 in their 46,000 churches in America alone. In addition, the complementarian influence extends internationally through SBC missionaries who are forced to sign the Baptist Faith and Message 2000.

The Danvers Statement’s influence extends into other denominations and beyond. Although Southern Baptists are the largest group to adopt The Danvers Statement on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (the foundational document of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood), they are by no means the only group that teaches a restrictive male headship. Far too many other evangelical denominations followed the lead of the SBC and adopted the teachings of complementarianism.

Campus Crusade for Christ, now with over 25,000 full-time missionaries in 181 countries, has adopted both the Baptist Faith and Message 2000 and The Danvers Statement, which were written by some of the same people. Other prominent complementarian organizations include Promise Keepers and Focus on the Family. Concern for families is admirable, but they have chosen the wrong solution. It takes both a strong mother and father to raise children. Strong families are not made by weakening the mother of the family by requiring her to submit to the children’s father, reducing her to another type of child, as is taught in those faith documents.

Can they all be wrong? The answer is YES. When one group presents a rotten apple as being desirable, and others bite into it and call it sweet, does that make the rotten apple sweet? This writer is not the first, nor will she be the last, to point out that the complementarian view of men and women is not a biblical view. There are many voices crying out in protest that scriptures have been misused and mistranslated in favor of man’s superiority over woman.

Civilizations change and move forward. For well over a thousand years Christ was lost among civilizations, including our own, that sought to enslave others because some believed that they were born to a higher status. The end to slavery did not come about easily because many people used the scriptures to justify owning other human beings.

The concept of male divinity is not new. For centuries it was believed that emperors were divine. That is what is happening today with male headship, but to a greater degree than ever before. Complementarians have decided that it is not just some men who are born to rule over women, but that all men are born to rule over all women.

Not content with ruling over women in the present world, the CBMW has taken male headship into heaven itself, leaving no avenue of equality for women. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood endorses this heresy that male headship will continue on into Heaven, and that males will eternally rule over their wives, and that wives and children will eternally be submissive to the husband and father in the family.

Click on the link to read their Spring 2006 Spring Journal to read it for yourself.  Find it here: Relationships and Roles in the New Creation  (Article by Mark David Walton, Senior Pastor, Glenwood Baptist Church, Oak Ridge, Tennessee).

The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood continues in their great evil against women. They are selling men a bill of goods that they cannot deliver. In the final day, when God has his say, man will find himself stripped of what he thought was his male headship. Consider who is Head in Heaven. It is not human man, because for a man to be Head in Heaven, that would mean that he had divinity on earth. Who among you will say that males are created to share God’s Lordship?

The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s office is located on the campus of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. Supporters include Southern Baptist Convention leaders like Southern Seminary President Albert Mohler and Russell Moore, head of the SBC Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. The group’s core beliefs are detailed in the Danvers Statement, drafted by evangelical leaders in Danvers, Mass., in 1988. (Associated Baptist Press)

We voice a demand because all previous petitions have been ignored. 

We cry out for justice for all those who have suffered, directly and indirectly.

At a time in our church history that the main focus should be on winning lost souls and spreading the gospel to a hurting world, we fear for the future because the Council on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood has placed a greater priority on women’s submissive role rather than on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is with that thought in mind that we make this petition. (sign here).

I urge the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood to read the story Nathan told to David, and understand that justice will come. It is my desire that the Council repent of its destructive teachings before that great day of reckoning.

And to help them before that time of reckoning, we demand that they apologize for their teaching that denigrates God’s cherished children.

To sign the petition, click here.  If in doubt, read Cindy Kunsman’s blog on the petition here.

For the sake of all Christians of all genders, we demand that CBMW apologize publicly for their misuse of Holy Scripture, and for the inestimable harm suffered by women and families.

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Thank you

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Women Equal-No Buts: Powered by the same Source

Women Equal no buts  Women Equal

Women Equal – No Buts now available on both Kindle and in Print Form!  I could not use the cover I used for Kindle on my create space (self-published), so I did the best I could!  Be a voice for women!  Learn how to speak up and lend your voice to women’s equality.

Of course Dethroning Male Headship is a really good book so order your copy now.

Dethroning Male Headship

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Desiring to be God-Part 9

Barefoot and pregnant.  Wikipedia defines “Barefoot and pregnant” as a figure of speech most commonly associated with the controversial idea that women should not work outside the home and should have many children during their reproductive years. That fits current fundamentalist beliefs.  We see this particularly in Texas, where politicians are embracing that philosophy because that is how they will be elected by the Christians in conservative areas.

A few years ago, Baptists decided that Christians were wrong to practice birth control. At the time there was some discussion about it being too Catholic, or too Mormon, and then it dropped off the radar screen.  This week it reappeared. The Associated Baptist Press’ editor Bob Allen brought it up, not in agreement with that belief, but as informing Baptists what Baptist leaders are saying.

Southern Baptists’ attitude changing on birth control,” appeared in the March 10 edition of the Baptist Standard. “A good many evangelicals hope to do far more than sow seeds of doubt about the morality of birth control,” (Al) Mohler replied. “Our concern is to raise an alarm about the entire edifice of modern sexual morality and to acknowledge that millions of evangelicals have unwittingly aided and abetted that moral revolution by an unreflective and unfaithful embrace of the contraceptive revolution.”  (Associated Baptist Press and the Baptist newspapers have an affiliation and what one carries, the others generally do, too.)

Then the subject also appeared in a letter to the editor in my local newspaper, and this time it was by a woman writing against birth control. She said “those who truly believe in God as the author of life…” (paraphrased) will not practice birth control.

Now why do you think that Southern Baptists want every Baptist household to be like the Duggar family?  The Duggars are fundamental Baptists, and have probably stopped at 19 children, after a miscarriage of their 20th child.

You can chalk it up to one thing.  Cynthia Kunsman explained it well when she facetiously said, “It is the duty of Christians to bear large families full of godly seed to populate the earth and bring forth what God intended us to have, particularly in America,” Cynthia Kunsman, a writer and blogger who specializes in spiritual-abuse issues, said at a 2008 conference at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. “That’s how we’re going to get our Christian America.”

To complementarians, a Christian America means a male headship America.

Take a minute to read what the article by Bob Allen says as printed in the Associated Baptist Press and the Baptist Standard. Pay particular attention to the paragraph  ‘Saved through childbearing’ that I have copied below.  This is what I have been talking about in my book Dethroning Male Headship, and Women Equal No-Buts: Powered by the same Source, and now this blog series, Desiring to be God.

Bob Allen says, “Bruce Ware, professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, suggests that “women will be saved through childbearing” in 1 Timothy 2:15 should be taken literally, noting the Greek word translated in the New Testament as “saved” always refers to eternal salvation.”

This series is going to be about Desiring to be God – Living. The first was Desiring to be God – Salvation.

Barefoot and pregnant.  God is the “author of life.” Who do complementarians claim represents God on earth? Husbands.

Barefoot and pregnant. We’ll tell you why in the following weeks.

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Watch for continuation of series Desiring to be God

Desiring to be God will resume next week beginning on March 17.

I have been extremely busy with the conference Collaborative People / Collaborative Marriages (A Lifestyle of Mutuality for Men and Women) and with preparing my latest book Women Equal – No Buts: Powered by the same Source and submitting it to Create Space so it can be in print. That should be available by the first week of April, if not sooner.

But we are not finished with Desiring to be God! The fist 8 parts dealt with salvation.  The second part will deal with daily living.  Just as was pointed out that seminary professors are saying that women’s eternal salvation depends upon an earthly man and sex, we will see how they are teaching that women’s daily living for God depends upon a human male.

It is in these ways that men desire to be God.  For how else can you account for this teaching? It certainly does not have anything to do with Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

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