Desiring to be God-Part 9

Barefoot and pregnant.  Wikipedia defines “Barefoot and pregnant” as a figure of speech most commonly associated with the controversial idea that women should not work outside the home and should have many children during their reproductive years. That fits current fundamentalist beliefs.  We see this particularly in Texas, where politicians are embracing that philosophy because that is how they will be elected by the Christians in conservative areas.

A few years ago, Baptists decided that Christians were wrong to practice birth control. At the time there was some discussion about it being too Catholic, or too Mormon, and then it dropped off the radar screen.  This week it reappeared. The Associated Baptist Press’ editor Bob Allen brought it up, not in agreement with that belief, but as informing Baptists what Baptist leaders are saying.

Southern Baptists’ attitude changing on birth control,” appeared in the March 10 edition of the Baptist Standard. “A good many evangelicals hope to do far more than sow seeds of doubt about the morality of birth control,” (Al) Mohler replied. “Our concern is to raise an alarm about the entire edifice of modern sexual morality and to acknowledge that millions of evangelicals have unwittingly aided and abetted that moral revolution by an unreflective and unfaithful embrace of the contraceptive revolution.”  (Associated Baptist Press and the Baptist newspapers have an affiliation and what one carries, the others generally do, too.)

Then the subject also appeared in a letter to the editor in my local newspaper, and this time it was by a woman writing against birth control. She said “those who truly believe in God as the author of life…” (paraphrased) will not practice birth control.

Now why do you think that Southern Baptists want every Baptist household to be like the Duggar family?  The Duggars are fundamental Baptists, and have probably stopped at 19 children, after a miscarriage of their 20th child.

You can chalk it up to one thing.  Cynthia Kunsman explained it well when she facetiously said, “It is the duty of Christians to bear large families full of godly seed to populate the earth and bring forth what God intended us to have, particularly in America,” Cynthia Kunsman, a writer and blogger who specializes in spiritual-abuse issues, said at a 2008 conference at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. “That’s how we’re going to get our Christian America.”

To complementarians, a Christian America means a male headship America.

Take a minute to read what the article by Bob Allen says as printed in the Associated Baptist Press and the Baptist Standard. Pay particular attention to the paragraph  ‘Saved through childbearing’ that I have copied below.  This is what I have been talking about in my book Dethroning Male Headship, and Women Equal No-Buts: Powered by the same Source, and now this blog series, Desiring to be God.

Bob Allen says, “Bruce Ware, professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, suggests that “women will be saved through childbearing” in 1 Timothy 2:15 should be taken literally, noting the Greek word translated in the New Testament as “saved” always refers to eternal salvation.”

This series is going to be about Desiring to be God – Living. The first was Desiring to be God – Salvation.

Barefoot and pregnant.  God is the “author of life.” Who do complementarians claim represents God on earth? Husbands.

Barefoot and pregnant. We’ll tell you why in the following weeks.

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Watch for continuation of series Desiring to be God

Desiring to be God will resume next week beginning on March 17.

I have been extremely busy with the conference Collaborative People / Collaborative Marriages (A Lifestyle of Mutuality for Men and Women) and with preparing my latest book Women Equal – No Buts: Powered by the same Source and submitting it to Create Space so it can be in print. That should be available by the first week of April, if not sooner.

But we are not finished with Desiring to be God! The fist 8 parts dealt with salvation.  The second part will deal with daily living.  Just as was pointed out that seminary professors are saying that women’s eternal salvation depends upon an earthly man and sex, we will see how they are teaching that women’s daily living for God depends upon a human male.

It is in these ways that men desire to be God.  For how else can you account for this teaching? It certainly does not have anything to do with Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

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 Collaborative People/Collaborative Marriages

(A Lifestyle of Mutuality for Men and Women).

We’re doing it again! CBE Houston is hosting another conference.  Houston Graduate School of Theology is co-hosting with us.  The conference will be held at their location.

Speakers from Houston Graduate School of Theology include

Dr. James Furr, president of HGST

Dr Ria Baker, faculty

Dr Jerry Terrill, faculty

Sign up now! Be sure to register for Collaborative People/Collaborative Marriages (A Lifestyle of Mutuality for Men and Women). April 25-26, 2014 at the Houston Graduate School of Theology (located at Willow Meadows Baptist Church campus in Houston).

This is for your sons and daughters, for yourselves, for your friends. Help CBE Houston make this egalitarian marriage seminar a great success.

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Visit our website and direct your friends there. Everyone knows a Texan, so send your facebook friends an invitation! We’re counting on you.

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Collaborative People – Collaborative Marriage

We don’t just talk about it, we do something! When we realized that there are very few seminars and conferences on biblical egalitarian marriages, CBE Houston (Christians for Biblical Equality Houston Chapter) set about holding one.

Partnering with Houston Graduate School of Theology, we are hosting a Collaborative People / Collaborative Marriage conference in Houston Texas on April 25-26, 2014.  You are invited. Marrieds and singles will find this conference very interesting.

You can find registration information at  It is being held in the Willows Meadows Baptist Church in Houston. This is where HGST meets.

I urge you to let your friends and family know of this conference.  Everyone knows someone in Houston or the surrounding area.  Spread the word on your facebook page, your church, and your friends.

Download pdf of registration forms, flyers and program.

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Desiring to be God – Part 8

Many scriptures in the Bible cannot be understood as written. But one scripture, 1 Timothy 2:15, has theologians, seminary professors, and pastors creating a separate step that women must take in order to enter into heaven. Men can simply ask for forgiveness for their sins and accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

But certain complementarian Christian leaders are introducing a new element into salvation for women. So great is their desire to keep women subordinate, that they have reached into salvation itself and changed the way women are saved.

“But women will be saved through childbearing – if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety” (1Timothy 2:15).

Bruce Ware, a prominent member of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and a professor of Christian Theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary where Al Mohler is president, is someone who uses this scripture to change the way women accept Christ as their savior. What Ware says is shocking and you must read it carefully. Look for two things: 1) that women cannot become Christians (submit to God) until they accept the fact that they are not men; 2) Ware’s elevation of earthly men by putting a man as a factor in a woman’s salvation.

Read Ware’s words in the following interview as reported by Bob Allen, then a reporter for Allen quoted Ware when Ware spoke at a church in Denton, Texas:

“Ware also touched on a verse from First Timothy saying that women “shall be saved in childbearing,” by noting that the word translated as “saved” always refers to eternal salvation. “It means that a woman will demonstrate that she is in fact a Christian, that she has submitted to God’s ways by affirming and embracing her God-designed identity as—for the most part, generally this is true—as wife and mother, rather than chafing against it, rather than bucking against it, rather than wanting to be a man, wanting to be in a man’s position, wanting to teach and exercise authority over men,” Ware said. “Rather than wanting that, she accepts and embraces who she is as woman, because she knows God and she knows his ways are right and good, so she is marked as a Christian by her submission to God and in that her acceptance of God’s design for her as a woman.”

We remember that in Genesis 3:4, Satan tempted Eve with the fruit by telling her that God knew that their eyes would be opened and they would be like God, knowing good and evil. God was the ultimate Being, there was none like God. Now Ware claims that women want to be men and I find his comments very disturbing. Ware says that women’s salvation depends upon their denouncing their desire to be men. In this way, Ware has elevated men on earth to the status of God on earth. This doctrine diminishes God and elevates man to the status of earth-gods. In addition, Ware is claiming that women are still seeking to be as God just as the serpent said in the Garden of Eden (only now it is an earthly man-god that Ware claims women desire to be). My message to these complementarians: It is not women who desire to be God.

Ware is not the only seminary professor who subscribes to the belief that women must first bow to human males before they can be saved. James (Jim) Hamilton, Associate Professor of Biblical Theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) where Bruce Ware is a professor, says the same thing as Ware. Before coming to SBTS, Hamilton served as Assistant Professor of Biblical Studies at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary’s Houston campus and was the preaching pastor at Baptist Church of the Redeemer. This connects two major Southern Baptist affiliated theological seminaries with Ware’s theology.

Hamilton says, “All women must embrace their role as women and bear children, and if they do so in faith they will be saved.” Hamilton continues, “And I agree with Schreiner and others on the point that Paul wants women to embrace what it means to be female, and he has chosen childbearing as an example of something that only women can do. This doesn’t mean that single women or barren women can’t be saved, but they should by faith embrace what it means for them to be women.” Thus, these words by Hamilton make a woman’s salvation dependent upon a human male, because it is only human male sperm that can impregnate a woman. The woman also has to put aside her so-called yearnings to be a male and accept the fact that she doesn’t measure up.

Not all complementarians believe that a woman must denounce her desire to be a man, and then have sex, in order to be saved. Tom Challies is often quoted and he weighs in on 1 Timothy 2:15 by saying that the scripture means that women in general have been given the chance to redeem Eve’s sin by bearing children.

Challies says, “There is good warrant to expand the word childbearing here so it points not just to the act of giving birth, but to all that Paul has just discussed a couple of verses earlier—godly womanhood. In the wider context of the passage Paul is referring to the whole of a woman’s calling within the family, within the church, within the world. She is to embrace godly womanhood, to be who and what God has created her and called her to be. She is to fight against that tendency to usurp authority that is not hers.”

According to complementarians, Godly womanhood is totally dependent upon human males. It is solely a woman’s relationship to a man determines that whether or not she is exhibiting Godly womanhood. Depending upon which complementarian you believe, 1) women are saved by having a baby and denouncing their desire to be men; or, 2) women have a chance to redeem all mankind by having sex and giving birth to babies and not usurping authority from males.

It appears that Ware, Hamilton, and Challies believe that a woman’s salvation is dependent upon the sex act by a man inserting his seed into the woman. If this is the case, then it is as if he has inserted his godliness (giver of salvation) into her; or if she has no male to have sex with (marriage does not come into the picture), she must be willing to have sex with a man (because sex is the way children are conceived), and it is only then that she, or mankind, can be saved.

The one thing all these men have overlooked is that Jesus was born of a virgin, and that would signify that men no longer would have saving power for women. Of course men never had saving power for women in the first place, but why let a few facts get in the way of demeaning women.

If they do not believe it this way, then why are they saying it? There is no justification for making such outrageous statements about women. There is no justification for making women’s salvation different from a man’s salvation. It is their desire to be god – giver of salvation – that compels them to do this.

Can you imagine Jesus telling women that in order for them to be saved, they must denounce their desire to be men, and then be willing to have sex with a man?

Pastors, you who have studied the Word, do you have no understanding of what you are saying! How is it that you do not understand that in your desire to elevate man, you have diminished God? My soul, my heart, cries out for to you to repent. Do you not see your own desire to be God?

Exodus 20: 1-5 “I am the Lord your God, who rescued you from slavery in Egypt. Do not worship any other gods besides me. Do not make idols of any kind, whether in the shape of birds or animals or fish. You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god!”

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Desiring to be God – Part 7

What must I do to be saved?  Acts 16:30-31 “He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Southern Baptists used to believe that salvation came about when a person, child or adult, man or woman, answered the urging of the Holy Spirit, and repented of their sins, which was called accepting Christ as their personal savior.  This is better expressed as personally accepting Christ as their savior.

(This expression more than likely came about by Protestants who do not believe in infant baptism.  However, the way it is said “accepting Christ as your personal savior” seems to indicate that Christ is yours, instead of the  other way around. Personally accepting Christ shows that you as an individual has made the decision to follow Christ instead of your parents doing that for you.)

About the time of Evangelism Explosion, the Sinner’s Prayer came into favor across the world, and forms of it were used by Billy Graham and Campus Crusade for Christ, and televangelists. (Remember, Evangelism Explosion’s author was Presbyterian.)

Baptists along with other evangelicals, latched onto this method of bringing people to Christ. Pastors began asking those who came forward to accept Christ to say the Sinner’s Prayer. It was usually like this, “Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner and I do not deserve eternal life. But, I believe you died and rose from the grave to make me a new creation and to prepare me to dwell in your presence forever. Jesus, come into my life, take control of my life, forgive my sins and save me. I am now placing my trust in you alone for my salvation and I accept your free gift of eternal life.”

Baptists reaffirmed this prayer in June 2012 by this resolution, “We affirm that repentance and faith involve a crying out for mercy and a calling on the Lord (Rom. 10:13), often identified as a ‘Sinner’s Prayer,’ as a biblical expression of repentance and faith,” the resolution said. But it added, “A ‘Sinner’s Prayer’ is not an incantation that results in salvation merely by its recitation and should never be manipulatively employed or utilized apart from a clear articulation of the gospel (Matt. 6:7; 15:7–9).”  This was added, in part at least, because David Platt, a Calvinist Southern Baptist, said that this prayer was superstition.

This prayer was brought to vote in 2012 because it was felt that the Sinner’s Prayer does not bow to Calvinism, and as I said, many fear that Calvinism is taking hold in Southern Baptists churches. A major disagreement is that Calvinists believe that God predetermines or predestines who will be saved, and the other half of Southern Baptists believe that we each have a free will to either accept salvation or reject it.

In fact, the pastor of a First Baptist Church, posted this blog on his non-Calvinist church website in November 2013 which says: “We can argue the merits of Calvinism. But of this we can be certain. Those who call on his name shall be saved. Whether you believe God has predetermined whom he will allow to call on his name or not, know this. If you call on his name, you will be saved.”

That statement by that pastor contradicts itself, and is very confusing.  He says that it might be possible that Calvinists are right and that God had already predetermined if you are going to heaven or hell, but if you or your friends call on God’s name, you and they will be saved. He leaves out the part of what if you or your friends are not predetermined to go to heaven. What this pastor means is that he leans toward Calvinism, and that you or your friends cannot call upon God for salvation unless you have been predetermined to be one of the elect. So if you cannot call upon God, that means you will never be denied because you can’t call in the first place.

If you were to ask a Baptist sitting in a pew today how to be saved, this is what you would be told, “When the invitation is given, go forward, the pastor will take you by the hand and will ask you if you are accepting Christ as your savior. You say yes, they will pray with you and it is done.” Baptism will follow if and when you decide to be baptized, but baptism is not a part of the salvation process. Male and female salvation was always the same.

That is the way it used to be. And that is still the official way Baptists and other evangelicals are saved.

But a new element has been introduced, and even though it is not a part of a church’s “altar call” or “invitation to receive Christ,” it what is being taught to young preachers.

The next post will deal with the new element that has been introduced for females.

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