John Piper, etc

John Piper on wifely abuse.  People listen to this man, and he is so wrong.

“If it’s [the abuse] not requiring her to sin but simply hurting her, then I think she endures verbal abuse for a season, and she endures perhaps being smacked one night, and then she seeks help from the church.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3OkUPc2NLrM

Rebuttal on John Piper on Christianity is to be Masculine

 
Rachel writes:  “
When I challenged men to respond to John Piper’s claim that “God has given Christianity a masculine feel” with posts that celebrate femininity and affirm women in the Church, I never expected this.  Within a few days, we received over 150 contributions.  
Responses came from young and old, clergy and laypeople, husbands and fathers and singles, well-known authors and first-time bloggers. We received submissions from the U.S., Canada, Britain, India, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand in the form of videos, essays, poetry, and song. …..”
 
Women and men, this will warm and encourage your hearts. 
 
 
 
 

10 Responses to John Piper, etc

  1. aimeerbn says:

    hee hee hee
    I think it’s great how so many people, not raised with parents who modeled what Piper is advocating, find it shocking. what he says (and he is considered, usually, rather non extremist) is mainstream Christian teaching for those who believe in submission.
    you either have to take it, or quit believing in the whole male=leader, female=submitter model of marriage.
    OR you can quit believing in the whole concept of the historic figure of Yeshua as Jesus, your Lord, who you also somehow submit your whole earthly existence to. even though most of what you believe about him is all in your head. and the heads of those you listen to.

    • hee, hee, hee!
      Well, we will see
      Jesus is indeed in my head
      and in my heart.

      I believe even if you don’t,
      I will live my life for Him,
      even if you won’t.

      At the end of the day
      When all is said and done,
      hee, hee, hee
      We’ll find out who has won!

      Thanks for stopping by! We are always glad to hear from others. We are a bunch of radical women who dare to work for what we believe in. We have chosen to believe in Christ, knowing as we all do, that down through history men and women have failed to live up to Christian values. He gives our lives a meaning and fulfillment that those who do not believe in Him do not have.

  2. aimeerbn says:

    I suppose He is the one who gave you the impetus to reply in a mocking tone, with your hee hee hees, too.
    Your idea of and relationship with whoever you think he is gives YOU “meaning and fulfillment” but you should know that there are those out there (never said I was one) who do not find fulfillment UNTIL they rid themselves of the phony idol they have created for themselves that they and all their churchy relations call Jesus.

    One example: http://ojotaylor.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/why-do-you-write-if-you-dont-believe/

    • Actually I wasn’t mocking. Why would I mock, and what about? Sure, I used your words. You thought they were funny, why wouldn’t I? By the way – what did you mean when you hee, hee, heed?

      • Mara says:

        Yeah, I guess I’m confused here too. It was quite all right for aimeerbn to hee hee hee, but not for you Shirley. When she did it, it was fine and acceptable. When you responded in kind, suddenly it became mocking. Weird.

        I am also confused as to why the heck she linked an agnostic’s site.
        I guess the reason is (and you can so totally correct me if I get this wrong aimeerbn) is that if a person rejects John Piper’s interpretation of what marriage should be, then they don’t really believe in Jesus.

        This is so funny when it is Jesus who undercuts Piper’s interpretation.
        Matthew 23:8 But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

        Men, like Piper, disobey the words of Jesus because they want to be first and have the best seats in the home and church. Foolish men. Jesus told us all, very specifically, not to be called leaders. Yet men demand to be called this. We only have One who is our Leader, that is Christ. Men are usurping the authority of Christ over women by twisting Paul’s words to hide the fact that they are directly disobeying Jesus Christ Himself.

      • It is confusing more and more so. I also wonder why aimeerbn thinks she is ambiguous with her declarations. Come on out and say it, aimeerbn, if you don’t believe in Christ, just say it. And if you do believe in Christ, this blog is about women standing up and speaking out for what they believe in. We don’t beat around the bush here.

      • Mara says:

        Shirley: “We don’t beat around the bush here.”

        You aren’t kidding!
        I’m not shy about what I believe.
        I’m also not concerned when my beliefs get challenged.
        Over the years I’ve noted that when my beliefs ARE challenged, it’s a good thing. Because if there is a flaw in my understanding, or a weak point, a good challenge will shake things up. I will let go of things that aren’t really of God, the things that are based on tradition or misunderstanding of the Word. And the things that are from God and are firmly established in His Word, they get a more firm foundation within me.

      • Putting up the picture of the Pied Piper wasn’t mocking? I mock all the time….hee hee.

      • Well, of course, it was mocking John Piper. Why not? This man distorts the scriptures in favor of man. You bet I can mock him.

        > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:36:48 +0000 > To: bwebaptist.women@live.com >

  3. Bob Edwards says:

    I’ve been watching videos from John Piper on youtube with growing alarm. I made the following video as a response to some of his messages: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QoYlxHe64

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